I think it's also possible he took them for another reason, and we don't know what that is. "Do you then think that that's why he took those classified documents?" "When Donald Trump referred to things in the White House as his possessions, there was a long history of him doing that," Dickerson said. When he did leave the White House, he wasn't empty-handed, as FBI agents found in that search of his Florida home.
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And after November 3, 2020, it became clearer with each passing day that that was not going to happen, and he did not know how to handle it." Whether it was his father helping navigate systems for him or helping him financially, or elected officials lining up for him, he always believed things would work out. "It was part of the theme of him believing that everything was always going to work out with him, because it always had. Haberman offers new detail about Trump's refusal to accept defeat in 2020, quoting sources who heard Trump say, "We're never leaving."ĭickerson asked, "Donald Trump's reluctance to leave office, was that part of that playbook that developed so many years ago, or is that something new?" He works everything out in real time with everyone." New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman. "He treats everyone like they're his psychiatrist. "He said at one point to somebody else, but with you in his presence, you were like his psychiatrist?"
"It's an almost reflexive need to sell himself." "No he talked to everybody for their books," she replied.
Yet, he agreed to sit down with her three times this past summer.ĭickerson asked, "Were you surprised he talked to you for your book?" Haberman's reporting has irritated and embarrassed Trump. All of this, again, is about creating a sense of drama, a sense of chaos, and often, John, about keeping the responsibility off him." And it's the quick lie, it's the backbiting with one aide versus another, it is the assigning blame to someone else. And people tend to impute a ton of strategy to what he's doing. "He has a handful of moves that he has used forever. "What are the elements in the Donald Trump playbook that he's had his whole life?" asked Dickerson. And he tended to treat the White House as if he was still in a real estate office dealing with local county leaders, as if it was still 1980." She said, "Donald Trump is generally the same, depending on the context. But Haberman's larger goal is to put the scoops in the book, and her Times coverage, in an archeological framework, to chart a 50-year, steady, unchangeable DNA. Like other books of the Trump era, "Confidence Man" has gotten attention for new revelations: Trump considered firing his son-in-law, and engaged in casual transphobia. The current incarnation of that racial tribalism shows up in some of Haberman's scoops about Trump's presidential years. "New York in the 1960s, '70s, '80s, was a very, very unique setting," Haberman said, "because of this combination of dysfunctional and sometimes corrupt forces that touched on media, that touched on City Hall, that touched on the political party system in the various boroughs, that touched on how real estate projects got done, and which touched on racial tribalism, John, and that is a big piece of what he took from his life in New York." Now, she's written a book about him: "Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America" (published Tuesday by Penguin Press).ĭickerson asked, "I want to read from something you wrote: 'To fully reckon with Donald Trump, the presidency and his political future, people need to know where he comes from.' What do you mean, where he comes from?"
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